Please know, neither of you are at fault. You both did everything you could for your children it sounds like. You both could not control what happened to your daughter, it was out of your hands. You also are not at fault for being unable to stop your other children too.
Try to find strength knowing that they all loved each other very much, as that much is obvious. But also, even if an activity might remind you of the kids, you two need to start living with each other. Start taking her out again, dates, walks, heck go star gazing even. Start having those moments together, and if something reminds you of the kids? Cry together, it's okay to! Randomly hug her even, pull her to you so that her face can find your shoulder and let it out if she needs. Consider having a memorial in the house even where you both can go to when you need to feel close to them that you can let your feelings out. Pick your wife up flowers sometimes maybe. There is so many little loving things you can do. Start dating your wife again for lack of better ways to word it. Give her things to fight for while also starting to fight for her yourself.
You both can get through this together, you just need to remember to fight for each other as much as you fought for your kids!
I hate to point out the obvious to you but she has broken up with you in the kindest way possible. She is letting you down as gently as possible. I can assure you that if you don’t call or message her you won’t here from her again.
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He needs to reach acceptance of the fact that your individual sexuality is not something he has possession of, or an entitlement to. It’s yours, entirely, always has been and always will be. He is very fortunate to be the person you are choosing to share and explore your sexuality with, and that you want to share special intimate experiences with him.
If he’s been trying really nude for you to have an orgasm via penetration it seems like actually a self-serving intention to fulfill some sort of misguided sexual achievement in direct comparison to other men you’ve been with in your own personal independent past sexual history. Like his desire for success in that goal seems to say more about his view of himself than it does about a genuine desire to please you sexually.
I agree especially he is a big time drug dealer with a lot of guns at his house. Maybe strange to say that I have anxiety for things that did not happen yet ?
Don't do it. Opening a relationship like this often kills it. You are not on board because you signed up to be monogamous with her. You didn't sign up to share. She might just be taken up with the idea or she might already have someone in mind. Either way, this isn't a good choice.
She is not thinking long term in this at all. If you go through with this and find a new steady partner, is she going to be able to handle it? Probably not. This is way more than just sex. I get the impression that she is not looking at the full picture. She's simply swept up in the idea because her coworker is making it seem glamorous.
If you go through with it, you are going to want to take time to really connect to your new partner and get to know her. Your girlfriend doesn't sound prepared for that at all. It's also nude to close that door once you open it. I've seen so many posts where the partner who insisted on opening the relationship is jealous. It wasn't what they anticipated. They suddenly feel neglected in their relationship. The partner that didn't want to do it to begin with refused to give it up because they had bonded with the new partner. Sadly, I think those relationships are over. It's just a bad idea, plan and simple.
If she continues to be insistent on this it would be better to just walk away. It might be better to walk away anyway given how turned off you are by her right now. Let her go explore open relationships elsewhere but I personally wouldn't put myself in that position.
Breaking up is rarely an ideal position to be in anyway. And you talk about being invested etc, and yes that’s true, but you also become more and more invested every day that goes by.
Tell her the truth. Don’t break up with her if you don’t want to, but at least tell her the truth, so she can decide if she wants to move on and find someone who does want to marry her.
It’s insane that that’s like a goal in a relationship and that everything will be depending on it, but I guess that how it is in this day and age.
Precisely this. They should know the truth and that there was a premeditated and calculated abuse of trust. This woman doesn't get to just step into the step mom role either, what they both did was so messed up and has broken apart an entire extended family. It's tight to protect the children from this dynamic
He sees you as a mark – a target for scamming. It wouldn't matter how pretty or good you were, he figures he's gotten what he can from you and so he's moving on to better prospects (for scamming).
It’s not that at all, it’s honestly just how explicit these posts have been written. This has happened on Reddit before where people ask for advice on an “issue” but there’s way more sexual content in the OP than needed to give advice.
I doubt this ever happened lmao. Super shy girl all of a sudden is stroking 3 cocks in some random bathroom in another country and all her girlfriends are just cool wit that? If it is true I'd say break up on the spot but It just doesnt seem realistic to me
How do you know that? That is not the impression I got from your post. It sounds like he has wanted you to be thinner from the moment you started dating. Why do you continue to date someone who has been body shaming you this entire time?
it might be unreasonable for me to expect that even if he wants me to lose weight, he shouldn’t say anything because i’m healthy and it is my body
How is this unreasonable? This guy or perhaps your trauma has really fucked with you… you think it's unreasonable to ask your partner to stop pestering you about weight loss?
If you really want to try and make it work (for some reason) you don't just tell him it upsets you. You tell him if he doesn't stop making comments about your weight/body you are breaking up with him. And then do it
Based upon all your comments, this sounds way more like an emotional affair than a friendship.
And you seem like you're just trying to justify it, defend the affair, and find a way to keep the status quo because you don't want to have to give up the affair partner.
Do your poor wife a favor and leave her so she can find someone else who will be loyal to her, and prioritize her.
Yeah, that's what I think too. Her parents make her feel like she's only as loved as well she does in school and unproblematic she is. I want to make her feel like she's loved regardless of fuck ups
Don’t forgive a cheater unless they are actively working on the character flaw they possess that allowed them to cheat. You know that when she has a problem with the marriage, instead of talking about it with you, she will step out. Decent partners don’t do that. The fact that she’s blaming you and taking no responsibility for her actions is a sign that she will do this again.
This is not necessarily a red flag at all… men can get really confrontational even when you tell them you have a partner. “Engaged ain’t married”, and get upset when they don’t take their number, processing it as a rejection. She might have been looking out for her safety. Plus she told you right away.
Doesn’t matter who started it. You could have and should have said no. And then you wouldn’t be in this predicament. You are just as complicit in the cheating as her. Sure maybe the person actually in the relationship is “worse” but that doesn’t absolve you of your sins in regards to this situation.
I gave you some realistic options and advice.
Don’t cheat in the future. Ever. It makes you an asshole. It will also be a red flag for future relationships. Find a new group of friends OR tolerate having her around and just ignore her best you can
I stress that even if she dumps the other guy, she has already demonstrated to you she is not loyal. Odds are she will eventually cheat on you too
I also stress that you should under no circumstance sleep with her again while she is in a relationship. It could potentially put you at risk for violence and even if your not worried about that, causing frame and friction within the friend group is only going to make you an outcast and make your life more difficult
You reached out to her to try and restart your relationship? Did you change your mind about kids then change it back?
I never really changed my mind, it's just that we were younger and wanted to be together to see whether things would change as we got older. My ex had known about my desire to not have kids our whole relationship, and I had known about her desire to have kids as well.
Stop trusting her. Why do you trust her? She had lied or covered up multiple times. Stop being naive and put your foot down if you want to keep this relationship. She needs to stop going out with the boss after work – no exceptions. Probably better if she quits her job. Or you leave the relationship.
I had a good relationship with a boss before, however both of us were single and it was very much a friendship. As soon as I met my husband it changed overnight, both on my end and his. I can’t imagine being this close and having significant others. That tells me both parties are not happy in their relationships (her with you and his marriage). Does he treat her better than you do?
Ignoring them is the best. They have no power over her. OP, go live! your best life. Let those losers on-line in the hell they created. Go walk in the sun.
I lived in the downtown area of a larger Midwest city during the summer of 2020 and the BLM protests. I had a coworker text me about staying inside because he “got a report” that the BLM protesters had ordered hundreds of pallets of bricks to throw. Sure enough, no thrown bricks whatsoever.
It’s kind of scary how easily otherwise intelligent people can be convinced of a completely false reality.
I believe you will find somebody that is a great match for you, don't give up.
Please do not give in to those commenters trying to put those negative thoughts in your head, it's really manipulative of them. Please continue to focus on your healing and on yourself, good luck.
Sounds like there's no future in that one. If it's hurting you too much already, maybe it's time to also rethink.
Please know, neither of you are at fault. You both did everything you could for your children it sounds like. You both could not control what happened to your daughter, it was out of your hands. You also are not at fault for being unable to stop your other children too.
Try to find strength knowing that they all loved each other very much, as that much is obvious. But also, even if an activity might remind you of the kids, you two need to start living with each other. Start taking her out again, dates, walks, heck go star gazing even. Start having those moments together, and if something reminds you of the kids? Cry together, it's okay to! Randomly hug her even, pull her to you so that her face can find your shoulder and let it out if she needs. Consider having a memorial in the house even where you both can go to when you need to feel close to them that you can let your feelings out. Pick your wife up flowers sometimes maybe. There is so many little loving things you can do. Start dating your wife again for lack of better ways to word it. Give her things to fight for while also starting to fight for her yourself.
You both can get through this together, you just need to remember to fight for each other as much as you fought for your kids!
You gotta love far leftist policies XD
Uh, she IS saying no, he's just ignoring it. He's not lucky so much as rapey.
I hate to point out the obvious to you but she has broken up with you in the kindest way possible. She is letting you down as gently as possible. I can assure you that if you don’t call or message her you won’t here from her again.
Run for the hills, she does not respect you
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He needs to reach acceptance of the fact that your individual sexuality is not something he has possession of, or an entitlement to. It’s yours, entirely, always has been and always will be. He is very fortunate to be the person you are choosing to share and explore your sexuality with, and that you want to share special intimate experiences with him.
If he’s been trying really nude for you to have an orgasm via penetration it seems like actually a self-serving intention to fulfill some sort of misguided sexual achievement in direct comparison to other men you’ve been with in your own personal independent past sexual history. Like his desire for success in that goal seems to say more about his view of himself than it does about a genuine desire to please you sexually.
I agree especially he is a big time drug dealer with a lot of guns at his house. Maybe strange to say that I have anxiety for things that did not happen yet ?
Surely will. I guess i just can't get the right timing because of her delaying tactics
Don't do it. Opening a relationship like this often kills it. You are not on board because you signed up to be monogamous with her. You didn't sign up to share. She might just be taken up with the idea or she might already have someone in mind. Either way, this isn't a good choice.
She is not thinking long term in this at all. If you go through with this and find a new steady partner, is she going to be able to handle it? Probably not. This is way more than just sex. I get the impression that she is not looking at the full picture. She's simply swept up in the idea because her coworker is making it seem glamorous.
If you go through with it, you are going to want to take time to really connect to your new partner and get to know her. Your girlfriend doesn't sound prepared for that at all. It's also nude to close that door once you open it. I've seen so many posts where the partner who insisted on opening the relationship is jealous. It wasn't what they anticipated. They suddenly feel neglected in their relationship. The partner that didn't want to do it to begin with refused to give it up because they had bonded with the new partner. Sadly, I think those relationships are over. It's just a bad idea, plan and simple.
If she continues to be insistent on this it would be better to just walk away. It might be better to walk away anyway given how turned off you are by her right now. Let her go explore open relationships elsewhere but I personally wouldn't put myself in that position.
Breaking up is rarely an ideal position to be in anyway. And you talk about being invested etc, and yes that’s true, but you also become more and more invested every day that goes by.
Tell her the truth. Don’t break up with her if you don’t want to, but at least tell her the truth, so she can decide if she wants to move on and find someone who does want to marry her.
It’s insane that that’s like a goal in a relationship and that everything will be depending on it, but I guess that how it is in this day and age.
Precisely this. They should know the truth and that there was a premeditated and calculated abuse of trust. This woman doesn't get to just step into the step mom role either, what they both did was so messed up and has broken apart an entire extended family. It's tight to protect the children from this dynamic
He really has you brainwashed if he has you believing you can’t break up because of his mooching. He is a slime ball, kick him to the curb.
You’re literally stopping him from being happy again. It’s your fault. End it.
He sees you as a mark – a target for scamming. It wouldn't matter how pretty or good you were, he figures he's gotten what he can from you and so he's moving on to better prospects (for scamming).
Go get mental help. PLEASE. This is absolutely nuts and scary.
It’s not that at all, it’s honestly just how explicit these posts have been written. This has happened on Reddit before where people ask for advice on an “issue” but there’s way more sexual content in the OP than needed to give advice.
Praying to god he doesn’t put your name on the lease ?
I doubt this ever happened lmao. Super shy girl all of a sudden is stroking 3 cocks in some random bathroom in another country and all her girlfriends are just cool wit that? If it is true I'd say break up on the spot but It just doesnt seem realistic to me
Do you think there's another reason he's not interested?
yeah, car sex sucks..
You're 19, he's 31. First of all, ew. Second of all, he is only seeing you for sex.
i know he loves my body
How do you know that? That is not the impression I got from your post. It sounds like he has wanted you to be thinner from the moment you started dating. Why do you continue to date someone who has been body shaming you this entire time?
it might be unreasonable for me to expect that even if he wants me to lose weight, he shouldn’t say anything because i’m healthy and it is my body
How is this unreasonable? This guy or perhaps your trauma has really fucked with you… you think it's unreasonable to ask your partner to stop pestering you about weight loss?
If you really want to try and make it work (for some reason) you don't just tell him it upsets you. You tell him if he doesn't stop making comments about your weight/body you are breaking up with him. And then do it
I'm sorry but your boyfriend is an asshole
Stop the scarcity mentality. It will make you a 2nd class citizen in your relationships. Seems like it is already happening.
great communicators generally
Great. Now need to fully expand that great communication to include sex and about sex. Should be able to sort it out from there.
Based upon all your comments, this sounds way more like an emotional affair than a friendship.
And you seem like you're just trying to justify it, defend the affair, and find a way to keep the status quo because you don't want to have to give up the affair partner.
Do your poor wife a favor and leave her so she can find someone else who will be loyal to her, and prioritize her.
Yeah, that's what I think too. Her parents make her feel like she's only as loved as well she does in school and unproblematic she is. I want to make her feel like she's loved regardless of fuck ups
Don’t forgive a cheater unless they are actively working on the character flaw they possess that allowed them to cheat. You know that when she has a problem with the marriage, instead of talking about it with you, she will step out. Decent partners don’t do that. The fact that she’s blaming you and taking no responsibility for her actions is a sign that she will do this again.
This is not necessarily a red flag at all… men can get really confrontational even when you tell them you have a partner. “Engaged ain’t married”, and get upset when they don’t take their number, processing it as a rejection. She might have been looking out for her safety. Plus she told you right away.
Thank you for your advice ♥
For real, I wasn't thinking clear before it.
It sounds like you don't actually have the time to invest properly into a relationship.
Lol you got some growing up to do kid
Doesn’t matter who started it. You could have and should have said no. And then you wouldn’t be in this predicament. You are just as complicit in the cheating as her. Sure maybe the person actually in the relationship is “worse” but that doesn’t absolve you of your sins in regards to this situation.
I gave you some realistic options and advice.
Don’t cheat in the future. Ever. It makes you an asshole. It will also be a red flag for future relationships. Find a new group of friends OR tolerate having her around and just ignore her best you can
I stress that even if she dumps the other guy, she has already demonstrated to you she is not loyal. Odds are she will eventually cheat on you too
I also stress that you should under no circumstance sleep with her again while she is in a relationship. It could potentially put you at risk for violence and even if your not worried about that, causing frame and friction within the friend group is only going to make you an outcast and make your life more difficult
Your friends are jealous dude
You reached out to her to try and restart your relationship? Did you change your mind about kids then change it back?
I never really changed my mind, it's just that we were younger and wanted to be together to see whether things would change as we got older. My ex had known about my desire to not have kids our whole relationship, and I had known about her desire to have kids as well.
Thanks for your answer.
Stop trusting her. Why do you trust her? She had lied or covered up multiple times. Stop being naive and put your foot down if you want to keep this relationship. She needs to stop going out with the boss after work – no exceptions. Probably better if she quits her job. Or you leave the relationship.
I had a good relationship with a boss before, however both of us were single and it was very much a friendship. As soon as I met my husband it changed overnight, both on my end and his. I can’t imagine being this close and having significant others. That tells me both parties are not happy in their relationships (her with you and his marriage). Does he treat her better than you do?
Ignoring them is the best. They have no power over her. OP, go live! your best life. Let those losers on-line in the hell they created. Go walk in the sun.
So I don’t understand why you would ever want to be with this person.
You know relationship is so toxic I wonder if you’re a troll
I lived in the downtown area of a larger Midwest city during the summer of 2020 and the BLM protests. I had a coworker text me about staying inside because he “got a report” that the BLM protesters had ordered hundreds of pallets of bricks to throw. Sure enough, no thrown bricks whatsoever.
It’s kind of scary how easily otherwise intelligent people can be convinced of a completely false reality.
I believe you will find somebody that is a great match for you, don't give up.
Please do not give in to those commenters trying to put those negative thoughts in your head, it's really manipulative of them. Please continue to focus on your healing and on yourself, good luck.