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A bunch of 29 year olds make a bet to have sex with and humiliate an 18 year old in order to put her in her place. That is extremely disgusting. They are a bunch of predators. Your step brother included for being friends with these kinds of people.
Well hopefully you can figure it out. Agree it isn't good to lead things on too long if you are feeling confused. Better to move on and give everyone a chance to meet someone else.
if my boyfriend acts this way with cats, how in the world is he ever going to handle children? i know this concern is in the realm of hypotheticals at this point since we’re so young,
no it isn't. it's exactly what you should be worried about if you're planning to have kids eventually and want a partner to raise them with.
Understand that until you two were exclusive you both did not have to follow exclusive rules.
People with options don't typically stick with just one person until they become exclusive, it improves the chances of finding a quality relationship, it's better to be with a man who chooses you out of a whole group of women than man who has no options but you.
Ask her if you did the same to her after another girl blew her off and you stayed talking to the girl if it’s no big deal , they only see things from their perspective never the other way around
Hmm if you’re on a date and you kiss that’s normal. He may be nervous and reacted weird on accident. If he has problems kissing you he may have an intimacy problem? Anyways you can address it but don’t apologize. You did nothing wrong.
It’s worth remembering if your friend in on a stable dose of HIV medication there is zero chance of her passing it on to anyone. The virus becomes completely undetectable and non transmissible.
Idk why everyone is criticizing you so much. My advice is get a lawyer, get a formal custody arrangement and breakup with her. She was manipulative if she didn't put your name down on the birth certificate for 2 months just to hurt you. I don't care whatever people say about the age gap right now (yes it is concerning, but not out of ordinary plus the two of you know the dynamics better). I also don't care about people trying to justify her actions. She was wrong plain and simple.
I’m already past that point. We’ve “broken up” 3 times before this in our 15 years of friendship and I think I’ve finally realized she will never change. Like I said, she has never been terrible towards me personally, but she treats others like crap, sleeps with men who are in relationships and says doesn’t care bc that’s not her problem and I’m just over hearing her stories and her thinking it’s funny to do that to people. I’ve slowly been responding less and less and she’s picked up on it and I know she will ask me why soon
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If she is in a space mentally where you not liking her back at the same level as she likes you (you met three months ago!) means she is threatening self harm or even suicide then she is not in a place to be be in a serious relationship.
I would consider this a huge red flag.
How will you ever break up with her if she threatens to self-harm if you do something she doesn't like?
(Also, she is 21 and has already been engaged? Seriously engaged?)
Every comment here is conjecture or opinion, even OP's. That's how this works. Thanks for clarifying you're either 12 or have never had a lasting relationship.
First, I’m sorry this happened to you. And I would take the advice of others and seek legal action. Also the petty side of me, once all legal action has resolved, would be to go scorched earth and tell everyone who knows him exactly what he did.
As for future relationships, I don’t think you should share that much information with another person. I would keep your investment portfolio separate from the relationship. It’s important that women keep some finances separate for their own security.
It’s also important to know that this isn’t your fault. You thought you could trust him. Once you’re ready to date again, take it slow. Take your time and allow the trust to build. But do be aware if values start to differ or if you notice things that concern you. Sometimes the flags aren’t immediately visible or they look light pink rather than red.
yea this was a conversation she found from about 7 months ago (june) when she went through my phone last week. So she's mad that in the beginning stages of us going out she says I cheated on her based on these messages
Your actions and choices are dictated by what you want. What do you want? To not have him try to be your friend or interact with you. So say that.
“Bob, I am not interested in having a friendship with you. Please stop trying to interact with me other than basic politeness (hello, goodbye) and I will do the same.”
You can't control his actions or behaviours. If he chooses to talk to you you can't stop him other than to say, “Bob, I've told you, I don't want to interact with you, goodbye” and walk away.
There is a lot wrong with telling your partner that you're not satisfied with them, demanding an open relationship, getting on tinder before even talking about it and then belittling you for wanting to see it
Not really, recording it is proof for OP that they aren't making it up and they're not crazy. She's spent 22 years being gaslit by them, having something concrete that shows they're lying to her face is invaluable.
How often does this happen? Do you still have quality time together? Do you go to other parties together?
I can't blame the man for wanting to stay in touch with his origins and I can see how awkward it would be for everyone to suddenly be forced to speak English because one of the people brought a girlfriend.
You don't need to be involved in every part of his live!. Unless it's the majority of time and he's not willing to accommodate you ever, in which case it's not a good relationship anyway.
Well, sounds to me like you are already having an emotional affair. Your girlfriend is likely sensing this and acting more clingy as a result.
I am strongly cautioning you against breaking up with your girlfriend to immediately jump into a new relationship. Definitely break up with her if this relationship has run its course (and it sounds like it has), but stay single awhile. After eight years, you should absolutely take some time to be single and live! alone. Like, at least six months. A year would be even better after what you’re going through.
It’s driving me bananas that the main point of your post is to complain about how clingy your girlfriend is, when it turns out you’ve already moved on emotionally from her. So of course she’s clingy, you’re emotionally cheating on her.
Even if he was telling the truth, that it was from a woman months ago and he kept it in case she asked for it back…why hasn’t he just texted her to see if she wants it back? Why have it somewhere in his room where he would see it every day? Not worth it. Move on. I know dating can be intimidating when you haven’t been out there in a while but trust me, there are plenty of guys out there who don’t have random bras hanging in their rooms.
Even if he was telling the truth, that it was from a woman months ago and he kept it in case she asked for it back…why hasn’t he just texted her to see if she wants it back? Why have it somewhere in his room where he would see it every day? Not worth it. Move on. I know dating can be intimidating when you haven’t been out there in a while but trust me, there are plenty of guys out there who don’t have random bras hanging in their rooms.
Don’t negotiate with terrorists. I’m sure you have your own reasons for why you’ve stayed in limbo here, and I’m she’s there are parts of this breakdown that you feel responsible for, but you only get to be alive for so long, and this situation sounds interminably miserable. It hurts to leave when there has been love, but now it’s time to love yourself enough to get out from under this cloud, and also to show your kid what a strong and stable parent does when someone (even their partner) treats them badly – say no way. Stay safe, OP. Best wishes to you as you navigate this, and remember that love is shared, never bargained over or used for control.
Completely makes sense, I appreciate your response! I am not sure what I was looking for in posting maybe just typing It out validates how I’m feeling but glad to know it’s not just me also
Oof, yea – a very long time ago my 4yo asked me if I had a boyfriend and I said “Daddy is my boyfriend” thinking this was cute kid behavior. She looked at me super weirdly – like I could see the wheels turning. About six months later my now-ex left and ran off with his girlfriend. :/
Thank you so much for your advice! I'll definitely be completely honest about why it's taken so long and I'll be sure to tell her as soon as possible. So far, we haven't really talked about virginity—mostly just ribbing each other about sex but never really getting into us doing anything, which is why it's never came up naturally. I suppose this would be that conversation.
The shock from finding out about my first kiss was really jarring honestly because I always thought she knew, which now that you mention it, does not bode well for this conversation. She didn't take it too badly, but I'd say she didn't take it too well either. We're good now though, and she doesn't harbor any ill will towards me for that. I guess I'm hoping that the same could happen in this scenario, though it does seem unlikely since it's something way bigger. The last thing I want is for her to stay despite wanting to have her first with another virgin because she sunk so much time into me already, and I was wondering if you have any advice on how to avoid that happening? How to tell her there's no pressure even if I really want her to stay?
Thank you again for your advice and thank you for the well wishes!
A 40 year old doesn't see a child turn into a 19 year old and suddenly find them sexually attractive. They don't suddenly forget they knew them as a child. He's been looking at her that way for a long time.
A 19 year old doesn't turn 19 and suddenly see an adult in their life as sexually attractive. They don't have an innocent relationship with an adult and then suddenly longer magic it turns sexual.
He laid ground work to make this happen. He groomed her. You need to talk to her because she's in danger. Be careful because he has prepared her for this and she will think you just don't understand. She doesn't know she's a victim.
Cheating and inaction are two entirely different things. You betrayed her trust, put her sexual health at risk, seemed ready to risk the entire destruction of your family dynamic— she was, what? Stuck and unsure what to do to fix things? Possibly lost in her own head? Your actions were malicious however way you frame it. Hers weren’t. You had every single opportunity to simply end the marriage. You chose not to, and then you chose to betray her. You could’ve just left dude, and you lost all right to a moral high ground the second you made the active and repetitive choice to cheat. If you resent her so much, leave. You’re creating an abusive environment by continuing to perpetrate yourself as the victim and resenting her. Do you think it won’t show to your kids? In your actions? Your children are going to grow up seeing how much their father can’t stand their mother and god forbid they ever find out what you did.
She said ok and she understands. It's probably worth mentioning I didn't give her my reason for why I wouldn't want to date someone with a fwb, that was my explanation to Reddit. I think the fact I said I need to think about it earlier on showed my stance on her situation clear as day, I went from being over the moon and saying yes to having a lump in my throat and sinking feeling in my stomach in less than a minute.
Ask him if he wants to hang out with you sometime like getting coffee, lunch or dinner. That's lower risk for you if you're too afraid of rejection to just ask him out. However, I would just shoot your shot. You've got nothing to lose.
I fell into a deep depression a few years ago and could barely get out of bed. My husband and I didn’t have sex for over a year. He never complained once. I would tell him how bad I felt about it and how it wasn’t fair to him. Every time he would just hold me and tell me how much he loved me and it didn’t matter. That we could never have sex again and that would be just fine. That he would never want to be with anyone else. There IS another guy out there for you that will love you and be there for you and understand. YOU deserve that. Don’t let that jerk convince you that it’s your fault that he is a piece of shit. He is just an absolute piece of shit and isn’t worth your time or love. It’s really hard to leave and it really sucks but I promise it’s so worth it. You are amazing and you deserve better. Don’t let that jerk convince you otherwise. ?
Only you know if you can both agree to take a step back and put some space between each other while you work some personal things out and respect each others boundaries during that time without getting upset. If you think you can honestly focus on yourself and prioritize your mental health while staying with him (and he will support you 100% and respect your boundaries) you can try that first. But I would make it clear that things have to change and it begins with self-care starting now. He can either accept that or you can break things off while you process things. Follow your gut. Do what’s best for your own mental health and everything else will fall into place.
I would 100% take the baby and go back to my support system and let him get some mental health care (and you too). Maybe the time and space will allow these storm clouds in your worlds to clear and you’ll be able to see everything clearly and move forward; however that looks.
If he's around 6 feet tall he's 15 kilos over the obesity threshold. That's a lot. (assuming he isn't muscular because this post wouldn't be here otherwise)
Thank you for your opinion. But may I ask why? Because it’s a sign that they are not mature enough to date people in their own age? Or the genration gap?
A bunch of 29 year olds make a bet to have sex with and humiliate an 18 year old in order to put her in her place. That is extremely disgusting. They are a bunch of predators. Your step brother included for being friends with these kinds of people.
Well hopefully you can figure it out. Agree it isn't good to lead things on too long if you are feeling confused. Better to move on and give everyone a chance to meet someone else.
if my boyfriend acts this way with cats, how in the world is he ever going to handle children? i know this concern is in the realm of hypotheticals at this point since we’re so young,
no it isn't. it's exactly what you should be worried about if you're planning to have kids eventually and want a partner to raise them with.
Understand that until you two were exclusive you both did not have to follow exclusive rules.
People with options don't typically stick with just one person until they become exclusive, it improves the chances of finding a quality relationship, it's better to be with a man who chooses you out of a whole group of women than man who has no options but you.
Ask her if you did the same to her after another girl blew her off and you stayed talking to the girl if it’s no big deal , they only see things from their perspective never the other way around
Maybe he is sending end of the year messages to people? It doesn't sound like a bad text.
Hmm if you’re on a date and you kiss that’s normal. He may be nervous and reacted weird on accident. If he has problems kissing you he may have an intimacy problem? Anyways you can address it but don’t apologize. You did nothing wrong.
It’s worth remembering if your friend in on a stable dose of HIV medication there is zero chance of her passing it on to anyone. The virus becomes completely undetectable and non transmissible.
Lol as if the kind of clothing they are is the point.
That’s just….. wild lol
there is no state with 0 income tax. you pay federal income tax everywhere
Idk why everyone is criticizing you so much. My advice is get a lawyer, get a formal custody arrangement and breakup with her. She was manipulative if she didn't put your name down on the birth certificate for 2 months just to hurt you. I don't care whatever people say about the age gap right now (yes it is concerning, but not out of ordinary plus the two of you know the dynamics better). I also don't care about people trying to justify her actions. She was wrong plain and simple.
I’m already past that point. We’ve “broken up” 3 times before this in our 15 years of friendship and I think I’ve finally realized she will never change. Like I said, she has never been terrible towards me personally, but she treats others like crap, sleeps with men who are in relationships and says doesn’t care bc that’s not her problem and I’m just over hearing her stories and her thinking it’s funny to do that to people. I’ve slowly been responding less and less and she’s picked up on it and I know she will ask me why soon
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If she is in a space mentally where you not liking her back at the same level as she likes you (you met three months ago!) means she is threatening self harm or even suicide then she is not in a place to be be in a serious relationship.
I would consider this a huge red flag.
How will you ever break up with her if she threatens to self-harm if you do something she doesn't like?
(Also, she is 21 and has already been engaged? Seriously engaged?)
And I'm not planning to ever remarry after the divorce
Every comment here is conjecture or opinion, even OP's. That's how this works. Thanks for clarifying you're either 12 or have never had a lasting relationship.
First, I’m sorry this happened to you. And I would take the advice of others and seek legal action. Also the petty side of me, once all legal action has resolved, would be to go scorched earth and tell everyone who knows him exactly what he did.
As for future relationships, I don’t think you should share that much information with another person. I would keep your investment portfolio separate from the relationship. It’s important that women keep some finances separate for their own security.
It’s also important to know that this isn’t your fault. You thought you could trust him. Once you’re ready to date again, take it slow. Take your time and allow the trust to build. But do be aware if values start to differ or if you notice things that concern you. Sometimes the flags aren’t immediately visible or they look light pink rather than red.
I am planning on coming back to him with my thoughts but I am plagued with seeing both sides of the issue and cannot in myself confirm what is right
Wife #3 will be 22 again because he knows what he did wrong last time and will raise the next wife right!
Your boyfriend is right. Along with your anxiety problems, it is very expensive and highly addictive. Don’t start. Trust me, I know.
He’s not asking how to help his wife.
Have you considered that the wife isn't the only victim? And that you're basically saying he should focus on his feelings and forget about the rest.
yea this was a conversation she found from about 7 months ago (june) when she went through my phone last week. So she's mad that in the beginning stages of us going out she says I cheated on her based on these messages
Your actions and choices are dictated by what you want. What do you want? To not have him try to be your friend or interact with you. So say that.
“Bob, I am not interested in having a friendship with you. Please stop trying to interact with me other than basic politeness (hello, goodbye) and I will do the same.”
You can't control his actions or behaviours. If he chooses to talk to you you can't stop him other than to say, “Bob, I've told you, I don't want to interact with you, goodbye” and walk away.
Nothing wrong with wanting an open relationship.
There is a lot wrong with telling your partner that you're not satisfied with them, demanding an open relationship, getting on tinder before even talking about it and then belittling you for wanting to see it
He is a gold digger. Your post is a whole list of him trying to get you to pay the bills, skip presents, and judge you
Not really, recording it is proof for OP that they aren't making it up and they're not crazy. She's spent 22 years being gaslit by them, having something concrete that shows they're lying to her face is invaluable.
How often does this happen? Do you still have quality time together? Do you go to other parties together?
I can't blame the man for wanting to stay in touch with his origins and I can see how awkward it would be for everyone to suddenly be forced to speak English because one of the people brought a girlfriend.
You don't need to be involved in every part of his live!. Unless it's the majority of time and he's not willing to accommodate you ever, in which case it's not a good relationship anyway.
Obviously he’s a felon.
Well, sounds to me like you are already having an emotional affair. Your girlfriend is likely sensing this and acting more clingy as a result.
I am strongly cautioning you against breaking up with your girlfriend to immediately jump into a new relationship. Definitely break up with her if this relationship has run its course (and it sounds like it has), but stay single awhile. After eight years, you should absolutely take some time to be single and live! alone. Like, at least six months. A year would be even better after what you’re going through.
It’s driving me bananas that the main point of your post is to complain about how clingy your girlfriend is, when it turns out you’ve already moved on emotionally from her. So of course she’s clingy, you’re emotionally cheating on her.
Even if he was telling the truth, that it was from a woman months ago and he kept it in case she asked for it back…why hasn’t he just texted her to see if she wants it back? Why have it somewhere in his room where he would see it every day? Not worth it. Move on. I know dating can be intimidating when you haven’t been out there in a while but trust me, there are plenty of guys out there who don’t have random bras hanging in their rooms.
Even if he was telling the truth, that it was from a woman months ago and he kept it in case she asked for it back…why hasn’t he just texted her to see if she wants it back? Why have it somewhere in his room where he would see it every day? Not worth it. Move on. I know dating can be intimidating when you haven’t been out there in a while but trust me, there are plenty of guys out there who don’t have random bras hanging in their rooms.
Don’t negotiate with terrorists. I’m sure you have your own reasons for why you’ve stayed in limbo here, and I’m she’s there are parts of this breakdown that you feel responsible for, but you only get to be alive for so long, and this situation sounds interminably miserable. It hurts to leave when there has been love, but now it’s time to love yourself enough to get out from under this cloud, and also to show your kid what a strong and stable parent does when someone (even their partner) treats them badly – say no way. Stay safe, OP. Best wishes to you as you navigate this, and remember that love is shared, never bargained over or used for control.
That's such a common anxiety in new parents! I actually feared a nuclear holocaust would harm my baby. Needless to say, that never came to pass.
Completely makes sense, I appreciate your response! I am not sure what I was looking for in posting maybe just typing It out validates how I’m feeling but glad to know it’s not just me also
Oof, yea – a very long time ago my 4yo asked me if I had a boyfriend and I said “Daddy is my boyfriend” thinking this was cute kid behavior. She looked at me super weirdly – like I could see the wheels turning. About six months later my now-ex left and ran off with his girlfriend. :/
“It's niche … to preserve anonymity …” lol as if he's going to tell us what it is and someone will be like “OMG IT'S KEVIN!”
Thank you so much for your advice! I'll definitely be completely honest about why it's taken so long and I'll be sure to tell her as soon as possible. So far, we haven't really talked about virginity—mostly just ribbing each other about sex but never really getting into us doing anything, which is why it's never came up naturally. I suppose this would be that conversation.
The shock from finding out about my first kiss was really jarring honestly because I always thought she knew, which now that you mention it, does not bode well for this conversation. She didn't take it too badly, but I'd say she didn't take it too well either. We're good now though, and she doesn't harbor any ill will towards me for that. I guess I'm hoping that the same could happen in this scenario, though it does seem unlikely since it's something way bigger. The last thing I want is for her to stay despite wanting to have her first with another virgin because she sunk so much time into me already, and I was wondering if you have any advice on how to avoid that happening? How to tell her there's no pressure even if I really want her to stay?
Thank you again for your advice and thank you for the well wishes!
A 40 year old doesn't see a child turn into a 19 year old and suddenly find them sexually attractive. They don't suddenly forget they knew them as a child. He's been looking at her that way for a long time.
A 19 year old doesn't turn 19 and suddenly see an adult in their life as sexually attractive. They don't have an innocent relationship with an adult and then suddenly longer magic it turns sexual.
He laid ground work to make this happen. He groomed her. You need to talk to her because she's in danger. Be careful because he has prepared her for this and she will think you just don't understand. She doesn't know she's a victim.
But he doesn't reach out anymore after we got married
Honey, bad things don't have to be big things.
He's treating you poorly. He will also treat your children the same way.
What sort of life do you want them to have? What sort of relationships? What sort of family?
SIL will always be your children's aunt, is that really what you want?
Cheating and inaction are two entirely different things. You betrayed her trust, put her sexual health at risk, seemed ready to risk the entire destruction of your family dynamic— she was, what? Stuck and unsure what to do to fix things? Possibly lost in her own head? Your actions were malicious however way you frame it. Hers weren’t. You had every single opportunity to simply end the marriage. You chose not to, and then you chose to betray her. You could’ve just left dude, and you lost all right to a moral high ground the second you made the active and repetitive choice to cheat. If you resent her so much, leave. You’re creating an abusive environment by continuing to perpetrate yourself as the victim and resenting her. Do you think it won’t show to your kids? In your actions? Your children are going to grow up seeing how much their father can’t stand their mother and god forbid they ever find out what you did.
She said ok and she understands. It's probably worth mentioning I didn't give her my reason for why I wouldn't want to date someone with a fwb, that was my explanation to Reddit. I think the fact I said I need to think about it earlier on showed my stance on her situation clear as day, I went from being over the moon and saying yes to having a lump in my throat and sinking feeling in my stomach in less than a minute.
The fact that she is crying over it is probably part of the reason why he didn’t want to marry her.
You are really fucking up by allowing the abuse to continue. Get the dog, your daughter, and yourself out of there.
Ask him if he wants to hang out with you sometime like getting coffee, lunch or dinner. That's lower risk for you if you're too afraid of rejection to just ask him out. However, I would just shoot your shot. You've got nothing to lose.
I fell into a deep depression a few years ago and could barely get out of bed. My husband and I didn’t have sex for over a year. He never complained once. I would tell him how bad I felt about it and how it wasn’t fair to him. Every time he would just hold me and tell me how much he loved me and it didn’t matter. That we could never have sex again and that would be just fine. That he would never want to be with anyone else. There IS another guy out there for you that will love you and be there for you and understand. YOU deserve that. Don’t let that jerk convince you that it’s your fault that he is a piece of shit. He is just an absolute piece of shit and isn’t worth your time or love. It’s really hard to leave and it really sucks but I promise it’s so worth it. You are amazing and you deserve better. Don’t let that jerk convince you otherwise. ?
Only you know if you can both agree to take a step back and put some space between each other while you work some personal things out and respect each others boundaries during that time without getting upset. If you think you can honestly focus on yourself and prioritize your mental health while staying with him (and he will support you 100% and respect your boundaries) you can try that first. But I would make it clear that things have to change and it begins with self-care starting now. He can either accept that or you can break things off while you process things. Follow your gut. Do what’s best for your own mental health and everything else will fall into place.
Own it, be proud of your relationship and don’t hide anything.
If they don’t like it they can fuck off, life is too short to live! it according to your parents’ rules.
I would 100% take the baby and go back to my support system and let him get some mental health care (and you too). Maybe the time and space will allow these storm clouds in your worlds to clear and you’ll be able to see everything clearly and move forward; however that looks.
all work and no play makes jack a dull boy
If he's around 6 feet tall he's 15 kilos over the obesity threshold. That's a lot. (assuming he isn't muscular because this post wouldn't be here otherwise)
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Thank you for your opinion. But may I ask why? Because it’s a sign that they are not mature enough to date people in their own age? Or the genration gap?
Funny you didn't mention Muslim or black countries.