No. She is not going to change. And what you feel is not love. Love is happiness and wanting to be with that person because you feel butterflies in your stomach, not anxiety and dred because you don’t know if you will be hit or yelled at. And someone who loves you is not going to hit you at all, but especially hot enough to leave bruises, or expect you to read her mind on why she is upset. Please realize there is no hope for this relationship. You need to break up and find a woman who cares for you. This girl is not the one.
YIKES. Fucked up is an understatement. You’d better grovel and prey he’s willing to look past it. I sure know I wouldn’t be able to. Definitely would make it harder to keep it up around you in the future too, now that he knows what you really think of his ED. That’s kinda messed up for you to attack that, I’d seek therapy.
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So you're going to waste another couple of years? You're lying to yourself, “outside of this we've had very little issue in our relationship”. Are you kidding me? She doesn't work or go to school yet still doesn't do anything at home either? You're working two jobs and doing the cooking and cleaning? You're also sending her On trips and you haven't had sex for years? What kind of relationship is this? It's a pretty one sided one. She's not your girlfriend, more like a roommate at this point. You need to tell her either she gets a job or gets help for the depression or that's it. Nothing is going to change unless you make it change. Why would it? She's got a cushy life and doesn't have to do anything. Stop enabling her. This is no kind of relationship. Either you want something better out of life or you don't but you certainly can't be waiting for her to change while you waste your life.
That's amazing, my only cat training attempts resulted in them making a mad dash for the forbidden room any time the door was open. They seem to have an urge to explore wherever they aren't meant to.
That’s all? That’s not even really a comment about her looks, it’s more of a joke about her lack of skills so now I’m even less interested in discussing the degradation & sexualization that you see, because it’s not here. Unless you have more for me to look at? His joke may not be very nice but it’s not the problematic behavior that you think it is.
i understand that now. i didn’t anticipate any of this at the time. i feel like i’ve built my life around him. i know i don’t want to online like this forever, but i do care about him and miss how we used to be. do you think that it’s at all rational to hope that we can get back to that?
Go to your graduation, get your chosen family to cheer you on: your friends and your course mates will be proud of you and support you even though your family is failing you!
OP didn’t you know all this before getting married? If you didn’t well thats one thing but if you did then you knew what to expect going forward. You need to first figure out what is you want out of “the talk” You have to remember it’s her father and she probably has lots of good memories growing up. Think about it this way, what if the roles were reversed? What if she had the a black son and your mom/dad were racist? You have a right to defend your son, but you also have to understand it’s her family. You have to be frank and let her know how you feel and that you guys need to come to some sort of compromise, don’t place ultimatums as that usually backfires and you’ll end up with your second child living with their grandpa
He cheated on you and you know that. Even if you don't call him out or if he doesn't admit it, I would leave. He doesn't need to admit because he betrayed you either way. Don't argue. Just leave him.
Please respect yourself , when someone asks you to do shit they don’t do or if they ask questions they aren’t willing to answer those are huge red flags.
On top of that you saw a “kinda red flag “ and didn’t investigate lol I’m surprised you haven’t caught anything bud stupidity.
I agree that she’s at fault here; but it’s incredibly inappropriate for him to come to you about her sleeping with him. Yes its fucked up what she did, but he has friends his own age he can go to with this, not his barely legal daughter.
This is why couples in divorce proceedings can get in a lot of trouble for talking crap about the other parent to their younger children, it is NOT appropriate to involve children (of any age imo) in the inner drama of a divorce.
It sounds like you guys are good friends not a couple. You can split up and still be friends. It's nobody's fault, but this isn't what you signed up for.
Guys can get real weird when you reject them. Most women try to find the path of least resistance to get out of the interaction. Telling him she was engaged could have prompted some weird competitive stuff. It sounds like her read on the situation was that the fastest way out was to take his number. She told you about it, she didn’t hide anything. Green flag.
No he's being fine with everyone else but his kids, it's like he has no time for us now. I said to my auntie (his sister) he isn't senile he knows when the kids birthdays are, when I saw him face to face he kept mentioning me calling him senile like really focusing on that statement.. I don't know if he is losing his mind.
The thing is though, I don't want to get back together with her. Because it's generally wrong to think like that. all I really want to do is create a sense of reconciliation. I'd say that absolution was already delivered from a sense of forgiveness as well. But even if so, I guess I was just hoping for a sense of mutual friendship, because I feel like I owe her and her family a lot. It's really fair to say it's not my place either, but it feels like an obligation to be there for those I hurt in the past.
The only reason I want her to acknowledge me as someone different than before, is because I'm aware that I linger inside of her head as well. I was more-so hoping that the extensive changes towards myself would give a sense of ease. The past doesn't slip away that easily, I overall get that. But with reconciliation, I was hoping for us both to heal, and move on.
I have to point out that there are regular posts on this subreddit of people in your girlfriend's position, who found out later on that their partner had slept with someone else while in the dating or talking phase with them. The advice those people always get, is that it's okay for them to be upset by it, and even hurt, as it's totally okay to want to have been as important to them in that phase, as they were to you. They also get told that it's okay if it's changed their opinion of the relationship and person even, as it shouldn't have been hidden from them at all. But, they do also get told, that they need to evaluate if the upset from this discovery is worth ending an otherwise amazing relationship over. So…a bit shocked by the top advice in here tbh, considering the other side gets told they should have been told, 10/10 times.
I've always found that honesty, and respect, are the two most important relationship foundations. Everything else can be learned along the wau (communication styles, living together, shared goals, etc) but honesty and respect are there, or they are not, and the relationship has absolutely no chance of being healthy without them.
My view is that you respect someone enough to make up their own mind about how they feel about something, or you don't. That you are honest enough to admit to things you think they need to know, so that they can make those decisions, or you're not.
So, you first need to decide if this is something you think she needs to know, or deserves to make up her own mind on. If you think it is, and that she does need to know, then from there, you respect her enough and are honest enough to tell her, or you're not. But if you don't think it is something she should know, (and it sounds like this isn't the case, since you call it a lie and are arguing with everyone saying to let it go), then move on from it.
Maybe it’s safer if you guys didn’t get back together. But If that’s how your feeling he NEEDS to give you reassurance, and figure out why he lost feelings for you. Maybe it’s something you don’t do?
They are 1 in the same.. the part that hurt him was me saying, im judging you, and me saying youll he there with 15-30 yr old women. The entire thing was a joke. It was not a serious question nor comment.
I don’t understand it completely either. I mean 20 years is a long time.They were in high school. Kids do dumb things. But he said he loved his wife so I was just making suggestions to spice their marriage up. He did nothing wrong. There has to be more to the story he said trauma. She needs to work on her trauma so she doesn’t keep going back to 20 years ago. It’s not fair to him I agree. But you can tell his love for her so I was suggesting things so this doesn’t happen again.
This is valid and helpful. Thank you
I don’t even know anymore tbh, I love him, but I’m starting to doubt if love alone is enough
i don't feel comfortable sharing my age, but i'm under 16.
No. She is not going to change. And what you feel is not love. Love is happiness and wanting to be with that person because you feel butterflies in your stomach, not anxiety and dred because you don’t know if you will be hit or yelled at. And someone who loves you is not going to hit you at all, but especially hot enough to leave bruises, or expect you to read her mind on why she is upset. Please realize there is no hope for this relationship. You need to break up and find a woman who cares for you. This girl is not the one.
Because she knew she hadn't cheated and wanted to know what the fuck was going on
Believe people when they tell you who they are.
My ex never wanted kids or marriage, and despite my optimistic view, her stance never changed.
5 years we spent together, happily. But it was time to get off the pot, our goals weren't aligned from the beginning.
YIKES. Fucked up is an understatement. You’d better grovel and prey he’s willing to look past it. I sure know I wouldn’t be able to. Definitely would make it harder to keep it up around you in the future too, now that he knows what you really think of his ED. That’s kinda messed up for you to attack that, I’d seek therapy.
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It's more fun than you realise ?
So you're going to waste another couple of years? You're lying to yourself, “outside of this we've had very little issue in our relationship”. Are you kidding me? She doesn't work or go to school yet still doesn't do anything at home either? You're working two jobs and doing the cooking and cleaning? You're also sending her On trips and you haven't had sex for years? What kind of relationship is this? It's a pretty one sided one. She's not your girlfriend, more like a roommate at this point. You need to tell her either she gets a job or gets help for the depression or that's it. Nothing is going to change unless you make it change. Why would it? She's got a cushy life and doesn't have to do anything. Stop enabling her. This is no kind of relationship. Either you want something better out of life or you don't but you certainly can't be waiting for her to change while you waste your life.
Yes, pick up now over the weekend and be oit by the time she gets back. Bye Felicia
It's not that I don't feel sympathy for both op and cat owner GF, but even if they are soulmates, the cat deserves to keep its home.
Loading up a powerpoint presentation doesn't make the situation easier.
That's amazing, my only cat training attempts resulted in them making a mad dash for the forbidden room any time the door was open. They seem to have an urge to explore wherever they aren't meant to.
Wow you are 30?
That’s all? That’s not even really a comment about her looks, it’s more of a joke about her lack of skills so now I’m even less interested in discussing the degradation & sexualization that you see, because it’s not here. Unless you have more for me to look at? His joke may not be very nice but it’s not the problematic behavior that you think it is.
i understand that now. i didn’t anticipate any of this at the time. i feel like i’ve built my life around him. i know i don’t want to online like this forever, but i do care about him and miss how we used to be. do you think that it’s at all rational to hope that we can get back to that?
Perfume/shampoo odors, bodily fluids you weren't there for, things like that.
??? okay…okay, you busted me there!
Go to your graduation, get your chosen family to cheer you on: your friends and your course mates will be proud of you and support you even though your family is failing you!
Ohhhh dear I'm sorry for totally misreading that.
well that’s sad to hear. would you be able to explain why this is manipulative? not doubting you just want to understand
OP didn’t you know all this before getting married? If you didn’t well thats one thing but if you did then you knew what to expect going forward. You need to first figure out what is you want out of “the talk” You have to remember it’s her father and she probably has lots of good memories growing up. Think about it this way, what if the roles were reversed? What if she had the a black son and your mom/dad were racist? You have a right to defend your son, but you also have to understand it’s her family. You have to be frank and let her know how you feel and that you guys need to come to some sort of compromise, don’t place ultimatums as that usually backfires and you’ll end up with your second child living with their grandpa
He cheated on you and you know that. Even if you don't call him out or if he doesn't admit it, I would leave. He doesn't need to admit because he betrayed you either way. Don't argue. Just leave him.
Please respect yourself , when someone asks you to do shit they don’t do or if they ask questions they aren’t willing to answer those are huge red flags.
On top of that you saw a “kinda red flag “ and didn’t investigate lol I’m surprised you haven’t caught anything bud stupidity.
I agree that she’s at fault here; but it’s incredibly inappropriate for him to come to you about her sleeping with him. Yes its fucked up what she did, but he has friends his own age he can go to with this, not his barely legal daughter.
This is why couples in divorce proceedings can get in a lot of trouble for talking crap about the other parent to their younger children, it is NOT appropriate to involve children (of any age imo) in the inner drama of a divorce.
Lmaoo love the title
It sounds like you guys are good friends not a couple. You can split up and still be friends. It's nobody's fault, but this isn't what you signed up for.
Guys can get real weird when you reject them. Most women try to find the path of least resistance to get out of the interaction. Telling him she was engaged could have prompted some weird competitive stuff. It sounds like her read on the situation was that the fastest way out was to take his number. She told you about it, she didn’t hide anything. Green flag.
I'm always astounded when people stay with others who show behaviour they do not seek in a partner.
No he's being fine with everyone else but his kids, it's like he has no time for us now. I said to my auntie (his sister) he isn't senile he knows when the kids birthdays are, when I saw him face to face he kept mentioning me calling him senile like really focusing on that statement.. I don't know if he is losing his mind.
She gets the protection, freedom, and security of marriage without the hassel and burden of a husband. They both win.
I’m with ya! No tolerance for drunk drivers and no one will change my mind!
The thing is though, I don't want to get back together with her. Because it's generally wrong to think like that. all I really want to do is create a sense of reconciliation. I'd say that absolution was already delivered from a sense of forgiveness as well. But even if so, I guess I was just hoping for a sense of mutual friendship, because I feel like I owe her and her family a lot. It's really fair to say it's not my place either, but it feels like an obligation to be there for those I hurt in the past.
The only reason I want her to acknowledge me as someone different than before, is because I'm aware that I linger inside of her head as well. I was more-so hoping that the extensive changes towards myself would give a sense of ease. The past doesn't slip away that easily, I overall get that. But with reconciliation, I was hoping for us both to heal, and move on.
I have to point out that there are regular posts on this subreddit of people in your girlfriend's position, who found out later on that their partner had slept with someone else while in the dating or talking phase with them. The advice those people always get, is that it's okay for them to be upset by it, and even hurt, as it's totally okay to want to have been as important to them in that phase, as they were to you. They also get told that it's okay if it's changed their opinion of the relationship and person even, as it shouldn't have been hidden from them at all. But, they do also get told, that they need to evaluate if the upset from this discovery is worth ending an otherwise amazing relationship over. So…a bit shocked by the top advice in here tbh, considering the other side gets told they should have been told, 10/10 times.
I've always found that honesty, and respect, are the two most important relationship foundations. Everything else can be learned along the wau (communication styles, living together, shared goals, etc) but honesty and respect are there, or they are not, and the relationship has absolutely no chance of being healthy without them.
My view is that you respect someone enough to make up their own mind about how they feel about something, or you don't. That you are honest enough to admit to things you think they need to know, so that they can make those decisions, or you're not.
So, you first need to decide if this is something you think she needs to know, or deserves to make up her own mind on. If you think it is, and that she does need to know, then from there, you respect her enough and are honest enough to tell her, or you're not. But if you don't think it is something she should know, (and it sounds like this isn't the case, since you call it a lie and are arguing with everyone saying to let it go), then move on from it.
Maybe it’s safer if you guys didn’t get back together. But If that’s how your feeling he NEEDS to give you reassurance, and figure out why he lost feelings for you. Maybe it’s something you don’t do?
Your boyfriend is abusive and you're making excuses for his behavior and taking blame for somethingnhe agreed to.
They are 1 in the same.. the part that hurt him was me saying, im judging you, and me saying youll he there with 15-30 yr old women. The entire thing was a joke. It was not a serious question nor comment.
I don’t understand it completely either. I mean 20 years is a long time.They were in high school. Kids do dumb things. But he said he loved his wife so I was just making suggestions to spice their marriage up. He did nothing wrong. There has to be more to the story he said trauma. She needs to work on her trauma so she doesn’t keep going back to 20 years ago. It’s not fair to him I agree. But you can tell his love for her so I was suggesting things so this doesn’t happen again.