Isn't that more effort than just ignoring them though? Or cutting contact? When people have betrayed me or been mean or done me some other wrong, I just remove them from my life. Doing anything else just invites further negativity.
You make it sound like he's going out of his way to be unpleasant towards people he doesn't like. That's the definition of a dick.
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…. She embarrassed herself because she doesn’t think before she opens her mouth. She embarrassed you because she has no respect for you. Her mortification at your comment afterwards is completely BS.
Look at your situation this way.
You told her not to make sexual comments or jokes on many occasions, especially when meeting people for the first time. Rather than do this, she turns it on you to make your normal, perfectly correct request as you not accepting her. Well where was her acceptance of you?
Do not try to get her back, and when she tries to come back to you, tell her no. Do not discuss it, do not argue with her over it, just no and walk away (or hang up, or block her etc.)
We already pay for her car insurance, phone, medical/dental/vision, and have helped her out multiple times. I don't really want to keep putting more of our money into supporting her, as she is an adult.
I agree that long distance was easier for him. He could go see his friends when he wanted, did not have to deal with things that comes with living with your partner and he could spend as much time with his family as he wanted. But the separation was also difficult for him so we both thought this would actually make things better.
He has also been dealing with depression (from the situation as well) so I didn't blame him for not being as involved.
At first his family said they liked me a lot, but it started getting “bad” because him and I had issues (from the long distance and other things that we were actually working on pretty well) and his family couldnt help but get involve. He also didnt help because he would talk about the issue with them. I dont know if it is a normal things or not, I only have my mom left and we are not close so I dont really do that.
But this and my “requests” kinda started the whole thing. Even thought he still claimed that whole time that they like me just fine.
He just got a job so I hope that will help, he was feeling really bad about not being able to land a job. He is also gonna rent me something but he wont come with me, he said he think we need space. I am not sure if its gonna help or not but at this point I just want to get away from his family.
He mentioned that he doesnt really love me romantically but hope it will come back when the tensions coming from living here go away as well. It is just really frustating to me because I feel like those issues are all coming from his family and he let them do that to us 🙁
I know you asked people to be kind so I won't pile on, but the other two commenters are absolutely right. This man is not ready for marriage, it's more like you are playing marriage (and he's not) than actually acting like a married couple.
Oh man, this is so true. I'm really obsessed with appearances. I have put so much effort into my apperance, I didn't put any into my charisma/game. I'll improve my inside too.
You need to stop worrying about what will happen to this guy, if he's ostracized who gives a rats ass, he's a scum sucking pig that doesn't deserve friends..HE is probably the entire reason for why his wife left him, not the other way around AND he probably didn't have permission to go bang other women he was more than likely cheating and him having permission is just what he told you. Fuck that guy and the horse he rode in on, he's pond scum.
If he’s giving you an ultimatum 16 weeks in to being pregnant, you need to check out of the relationship. But the chances he’ll suddenly want to be a father aren’t high. If he changes his mind, great, but if he’s asking you to choose between him and your child that you’re already pregnant with then I’d say you need to figure out how you’re going to do this solo.
His family is toxic. And I think his excuse that “you don’t know how families work because…. “ is bullshit. He is too attached to mommy and daddy. And perhaps there is a level of mental intimidation there. Meaning , I don’t get my way I am going to blow up etc etc. And as a child growing up in that environment you learn to obey and appease. Maybe I am wrong? Idk. Point I am trying to make is that unless he sets ground rules and barriers with his parents, this ain’t going to work.
Spending time a part is a good thing but it means nothing unless he straightens his parents out. Clearly , they don’t like you and they don’t have any compassion towards you. And now that a baby is involved it complicates things more.
And if you have no support system, it becomes you against them and you are 11 hours away from your family.
Couples counseling is probably the right call, but your boyfriend needs individual counseling or a swift kick in the ass.
To reunite with him, you need to make sure he has put them on a short leash. And I am not sure he will do that. Their promises are empty based on what you have written. And I could see them exploding again because they don’t seem to know how operate with people outside their environment.
I think that’s pretty mean. Why is your sister’s husband invited but not yours? Your husband has done nothing wrong but you act like he’s a problem. Your sister’s husband is equally responsible for awkward socialising. You sound like your husband is a burden because you feel like you have to take more responsibility even tho no one asked you. That’s on you. Yes, the dynamic changes with four but I have a feeling it changed because your sister and you changed, not because of anything your husband did. I feel for him.
You and your husband is in the vacation club, so why don’t you invite your sister to a vacation, alone? Same thing right? How about your husband leaves you at home and travel with another couple who actually appreciates his company? How about everyone just act their age and make an effort for one another?
outside of the day after the party, no, not really. like this is probably something that he hasn’t thought twice about meanwhile I’m having a whole meltdown.
Honestly OP this relationship is still in its infancy. You both really don't know eachother yet and now you're getting to!! If she broke and agreement that both partners had committed to, then break up with her.
Tbh it seems like you may not be compatible with one another. You seem to be insecure as foook, and she seems to be shady as foook.
I'm a woman aswell and as much as I agree with you there's going to be a very fine line here if he was coherent enough to be able to say no and immediately type up what went on perfectly after, but she was drunk enough to pass out.
This is the fucked up double standards bullshit the #metoo movement has put the world in.
Personally I believe she raped him when he said no get off, and she clamped her thighs together and continued until he got her off. But a sneaky fucking judge and lawyer would and will argue the fact that he started it by sleeping with her when he was less drunk than her.
Welcome to 2023 where SOME women state they have zero rights but seemingly have more when it comes to assault against men eh.
Hey, just to give you a different perspective on this, Judaism is a religion that puts an emphasis on correct practice over correct belief and also there's a strong tradition of arguing over Torah and what God asks in it (and even debating over God's existence) – atheism and Judaism aren't necessarily incompatible stances in some movements, though I'm hardly an expert.
If you're inherently uncomfortable with the idea of religion in general, that's understandable; you two are incompatible. If you are not, begin some research, ask what his perspective on Judaism is (would he demand you convert orthodox, for example? Because that's pretty rigorous and you might want to bow out immediately and that would be entirely understandable), and see if there's a rabbi you'd be comfortable speaking with.
Religion is one of those dealbreakers in relationships. When you add kids to the mix, it’s really nude to balance two different religions. You two are just not compatible.
I think if you have reached a point that you are contemplating hiring a PI, your relationship and marriage is unsalvageable. If the PI finds proof of infidelity, you will have an easier time through the divorce. If the PI doesn’t find proof, you will still be so untrusting of your husband that the marriage is not likely to recover.
If she was really interested you wouldn't have to work that nude for her attention. You were somebody to pay attention to her when she needed it. It hurts but move on bro.
We online paycheck to paycheck, and she calls into work all the time.
If she wants to leave, let her. Do NOT have a child with her. Neither of you are in a position to be parents. You at least know this.
I have a decent job in the union and make pretty good money
Guaranteed she wants to be a SAHM but not do the work and spend your money.
Bringing a child into this world is NOT easy. It's VERY expensive too. It's okay for her to want a child right now and it's okay for you not to. You both want different things in life. It's good you found this out before you had a child with her.
I don't want to be paranoid but make sure you keep track of condoms, don't believe she is on BS. I'm not saying she would baby trap you, but I can't say she wouldn't either.
She can try again, but she said he got defensive when she told him last time. And she did it gently and tried to give him a shower! I would lose my shit over this.
Yep. Imagine girl saying she wants to marry sasuke from naruto kind of thing. But the problem is for them it's real, it's a form of a self delusion. That's why some people said visiting the sub instead of the icky you get from weeby thing you instead feel sad for them.
Isn't that more effort than just ignoring them though? Or cutting contact? When people have betrayed me or been mean or done me some other wrong, I just remove them from my life. Doing anything else just invites further negativity.
You make it sound like he's going out of his way to be unpleasant towards people he doesn't like. That's the definition of a dick.
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…. She embarrassed herself because she doesn’t think before she opens her mouth. She embarrassed you because she has no respect for you. Her mortification at your comment afterwards is completely BS.
Look at your situation this way.
You told her not to make sexual comments or jokes on many occasions, especially when meeting people for the first time. Rather than do this, she turns it on you to make your normal, perfectly correct request as you not accepting her. Well where was her acceptance of you?
Do not try to get her back, and when she tries to come back to you, tell her no. Do not discuss it, do not argue with her over it, just no and walk away (or hang up, or block her etc.)
We already pay for her car insurance, phone, medical/dental/vision, and have helped her out multiple times. I don't really want to keep putting more of our money into supporting her, as she is an adult.
No need to apologize.
I agree that long distance was easier for him. He could go see his friends when he wanted, did not have to deal with things that comes with living with your partner and he could spend as much time with his family as he wanted. But the separation was also difficult for him so we both thought this would actually make things better.
He has also been dealing with depression (from the situation as well) so I didn't blame him for not being as involved.
At first his family said they liked me a lot, but it started getting “bad” because him and I had issues (from the long distance and other things that we were actually working on pretty well) and his family couldnt help but get involve. He also didnt help because he would talk about the issue with them. I dont know if it is a normal things or not, I only have my mom left and we are not close so I dont really do that.
But this and my “requests” kinda started the whole thing. Even thought he still claimed that whole time that they like me just fine.
He just got a job so I hope that will help, he was feeling really bad about not being able to land a job. He is also gonna rent me something but he wont come with me, he said he think we need space. I am not sure if its gonna help or not but at this point I just want to get away from his family.
He mentioned that he doesnt really love me romantically but hope it will come back when the tensions coming from living here go away as well. It is just really frustating to me because I feel like those issues are all coming from his family and he let them do that to us 🙁
I know you asked people to be kind so I won't pile on, but the other two commenters are absolutely right. This man is not ready for marriage, it's more like you are playing marriage (and he's not) than actually acting like a married couple.
Oh man, this is so true. I'm really obsessed with appearances. I have put so much effort into my apperance, I didn't put any into my charisma/game. I'll improve my inside too.
You need to stop worrying about what will happen to this guy, if he's ostracized who gives a rats ass, he's a scum sucking pig that doesn't deserve friends..HE is probably the entire reason for why his wife left him, not the other way around AND he probably didn't have permission to go bang other women he was more than likely cheating and him having permission is just what he told you. Fuck that guy and the horse he rode in on, he's pond scum.
If he’s giving you an ultimatum 16 weeks in to being pregnant, you need to check out of the relationship. But the chances he’ll suddenly want to be a father aren’t high. If he changes his mind, great, but if he’s asking you to choose between him and your child that you’re already pregnant with then I’d say you need to figure out how you’re going to do this solo.
Lots to unpack here…
His family is toxic. And I think his excuse that “you don’t know how families work because…. “ is bullshit. He is too attached to mommy and daddy. And perhaps there is a level of mental intimidation there. Meaning , I don’t get my way I am going to blow up etc etc. And as a child growing up in that environment you learn to obey and appease. Maybe I am wrong? Idk. Point I am trying to make is that unless he sets ground rules and barriers with his parents, this ain’t going to work.
Spending time a part is a good thing but it means nothing unless he straightens his parents out. Clearly , they don’t like you and they don’t have any compassion towards you. And now that a baby is involved it complicates things more.
And if you have no support system, it becomes you against them and you are 11 hours away from your family.
Couples counseling is probably the right call, but your boyfriend needs individual counseling or a swift kick in the ass.
To reunite with him, you need to make sure he has put them on a short leash. And I am not sure he will do that. Their promises are empty based on what you have written. And I could see them exploding again because they don’t seem to know how operate with people outside their environment.
This reminds me of the post where a guy is seeing a girl who had a matching tat with her ex and wanted him to get the same one.
The only matching tat I would ever get would be a “sister tat” or a mother-daughter tat type thing. Never for a SO, not even my husband.
Sounds as if you could afford your own place after all.
I think that’s pretty mean. Why is your sister’s husband invited but not yours? Your husband has done nothing wrong but you act like he’s a problem. Your sister’s husband is equally responsible for awkward socialising. You sound like your husband is a burden because you feel like you have to take more responsibility even tho no one asked you. That’s on you. Yes, the dynamic changes with four but I have a feeling it changed because your sister and you changed, not because of anything your husband did. I feel for him.
You and your husband is in the vacation club, so why don’t you invite your sister to a vacation, alone? Same thing right? How about your husband leaves you at home and travel with another couple who actually appreciates his company? How about everyone just act their age and make an effort for one another?
This is a subreddit for relationship advice not venting
Really all you need to get into your head. She left him. She's with you.
outside of the day after the party, no, not really. like this is probably something that he hasn’t thought twice about meanwhile I’m having a whole meltdown.
Everyone here is right. She is immature. Let her go. Wait until you have to care for a parent. It's life, responsibility, and love.
Much respect to you, sir!
Honestly OP this relationship is still in its infancy. You both really don't know eachother yet and now you're getting to!! If she broke and agreement that both partners had committed to, then break up with her.
Tbh it seems like you may not be compatible with one another. You seem to be insecure as foook, and she seems to be shady as foook.
I'm a woman aswell and as much as I agree with you there's going to be a very fine line here if he was coherent enough to be able to say no and immediately type up what went on perfectly after, but she was drunk enough to pass out.
This is the fucked up double standards bullshit the #metoo movement has put the world in.
Personally I believe she raped him when he said no get off, and she clamped her thighs together and continued until he got her off. But a sneaky fucking judge and lawyer would and will argue the fact that he started it by sleeping with her when he was less drunk than her.
Welcome to 2023 where SOME women state they have zero rights but seemingly have more when it comes to assault against men eh.
Hey, just to give you a different perspective on this, Judaism is a religion that puts an emphasis on correct practice over correct belief and also there's a strong tradition of arguing over Torah and what God asks in it (and even debating over God's existence) – atheism and Judaism aren't necessarily incompatible stances in some movements, though I'm hardly an expert.
If you're inherently uncomfortable with the idea of religion in general, that's understandable; you two are incompatible. If you are not, begin some research, ask what his perspective on Judaism is (would he demand you convert orthodox, for example? Because that's pretty rigorous and you might want to bow out immediately and that would be entirely understandable), and see if there's a rabbi you'd be comfortable speaking with.
Religion is one of those dealbreakers in relationships. When you add kids to the mix, it’s really nude to balance two different religions. You two are just not compatible.
I think if you have reached a point that you are contemplating hiring a PI, your relationship and marriage is unsalvageable. If the PI finds proof of infidelity, you will have an easier time through the divorce. If the PI doesn’t find proof, you will still be so untrusting of your husband that the marriage is not likely to recover.
If she was really interested you wouldn't have to work that nude for her attention. You were somebody to pay attention to her when she needed it. It hurts but move on bro.
Is he really sorry? Is he really making an effort? Why does he still have the app?
We online paycheck to paycheck, and she calls into work all the time.
If she wants to leave, let her. Do NOT have a child with her. Neither of you are in a position to be parents. You at least know this.
I have a decent job in the union and make pretty good money
Guaranteed she wants to be a SAHM but not do the work and spend your money.
Bringing a child into this world is NOT easy. It's VERY expensive too. It's okay for her to want a child right now and it's okay for you not to. You both want different things in life. It's good you found this out before you had a child with her.
I don't want to be paranoid but make sure you keep track of condoms, don't believe she is on BS. I'm not saying she would baby trap you, but I can't say she wouldn't either.
Can you elaborate?
People who care about you don't verbally abuse you and call you names.
Do with that information what you will.
She can try again, but she said he got defensive when she told him last time. And she did it gently and tried to give him a shower! I would lose my shit over this.
Yep. Imagine girl saying she wants to marry sasuke from naruto kind of thing. But the problem is for them it's real, it's a form of a self delusion. That's why some people said visiting the sub instead of the icky you get from weeby thing you instead feel sad for them.